So much attitude and so much articulation. Like sucking on a lemon..tasty but sour! True as can be to old world cymbal making, this pie has been hammered within an inch of it's life for extra dry tone and just like those old Constantinople pies, even the shape is slightly off kilter. There is so much stick accompanied by an extra dry, mega trash pang-like ovetone. Hipper than anything I've ever seen...the perfect left side ride. Thin w/ 3 nickel rivets.